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J Kumar: what do you say about S. 15 of the Act? how do you bring conspiracy? how do you went under section 15? for speech, they contended its S. 13

Raju: followed by action

J Kumar: what action? how do you link it?

Raju: they planned

J Kumar: its only a speech, conspiratorial meetings would fall under s.13. they said, at the most it would attract s.13(1)(b)

Raju: it will attract because of isolation of assam and it also talks about economic strangulation. that is covered when he says assam will be cut and for economic security, discruption of essential supplies.

they used petrol bombs

J Kumar: no, you are not attributing the use of thse things against these persons in chargesheet

Raju: i am not arguing substantial case but a case of conspiracy. It is not my case that petrol bombs were used, it were used but I filed separate FIR. for conspiracy, the argument that they were to use. They mixed substantive offence with conspiracy.