J Amanullah: its FGM a bit off track

luthra: the consequence of both is excommunication

J Bagchi: this is there you are challenging syedna decision that if FGM is a part of religion and that minor child [inaudible]...its not only secular act that leads to ex communication but some religious practice making serious intrusion

J Varale: double impact- on the person and then ex communication, emotionally is the third impact