Dave: they said in counter that there is a DPSG group

J Kumar: Raju said they acts of yours are terrorist act

Dave: a speech can't, there has to be an act

discusses interpretation of s. 15 UAPA

J kumar: a speech would also cause. any act of yours which costs disruption of supply

Dave: how do I disrupt? by standing and giving speech, it can't fall under s. 15(1)(a). Reading counter, I am looking for something more than speech. At one place they say I am expert because I wrote thesis on riots, and in another place they said I failed to orchestra large-scale violence. I am not member of the DPSG group.

They said, to refine their strategy, conspirators formed the Delhi Protest Support Group (DPSG) for achieving their goals of terror incidents. For the communication and flashing the message, a WhatsApp group i.e., DPSG was also created. Preparation of violence started on 23.1. 2020 where secret meeting took place where Umar Khalid, Natasha and others were part of.

What is attributed to me is the statement- humare pass char hafte hai- there is no call for taking up arms, violence. When I was arrested, I was arrested from Bihar.

J Kumar: read his uttar pradesh speech

Dave reads it- relates to allegation of removing Assam from India- there is an FIR registered against me in Assam. the argument is, whatever they are, I have faced prosecution.

J Kumar: can we take your argument that these speeches won't constitute terrorist act?

Dave: they will not constitute conspiracy in this FIR. See. S. 153A- causing enmity, UAPA also already invoked. They did not file chargesheet and I was given default bail. Aligarh speech, Assam FIR registered and then Manipur FIR, but no chargesheet filed. Then Aligarh speech, bail granted and in arunachal pradesh, I was granted default bail...everything I have done, I have been prosecuted. 2022 FIR is the mother FIR.

J Kumar: except Assam, no FIR invoked S.15 UAPA?

Dave: see S. 2(o)(i) definition of unlawful activities-(i) which is intended, or supports any claim, to bring about, on any ground whatsoever, the cession of a part of the territory of India or the secession of a part of the territory of India from the Union, or which incites any individual or group of individuals to bring about such cession or secession; If I have said cut chicken neck, S. 13 applies and not S. 15 which is terrorist act.